FAQs — Metal Detectors Inc. (2024)

Frequently Asked Questions

Want to know more about installing a metal detector system? Below is a list of common questions/concerns relating to metal detectors, their usage, applications and basic trouble shooting.

Q. Why do we need a metal detector, I always thought they were more trouble than they are worth?

A. Well designed and supported metal detector systems are a necessary part of the production process. They are there to protect expensive equipment in the event of the presence of damaging metal, and should be viewed as an insurance policy that is sure to quickly pay for itself by preventing costly downtime and repairs.

Q. We only get clean sources of material in our mill, so why would we need a metal detector?

A. Clean sources of material do not guarantee the absence of tramp metal in the manufacturing facility. Metal can be introduced in the conveyor through the material or through equipment breakage, clean-up of floor scraps, misplaced tools and employee carelessness, to name a few. A Metal Detector can be a necessary part of the production process and at the very least an insurance policy that is sure to pay for itself.

Q. Do we need a technician from MDI to install this equipment?

A. MDI Metal Detector systems do not require a factory technician present at start-up. Manuals are provided and free technical support is available by phone or email. Electrical or maintenance personnel will have all the information required in the manual. However, a technician is available upon request at the prevailing service rates plus direct travel expenses if requested.

Q. Does Installation require any special tools?

A. No special tools are required. Standard tools readily available at most manufacturing or mill sites are all that is needed.

Q. How do you determine what search coil is used?

A. The coils are manufactured in many sizes and configurations. What is being conveyed, type of conveying system, sensitivity needed, and what equipment it will protect, all play a part in determining which system is best for the application. The experts at MDI will help you determine the right system for your application.

Q. What type of metal detection technology do you use?

A. The technology we use is the Phase Shift or Balanced Coil method. This method reduces the susceptibility of interference, and has the advantage of a certain “filtering capability”. In combination with digital signal processing, the transmitter-receiver principle is the more intelligent, flexible, and accurate method.

Q. Our metal detector trips when there is no metal present, what causes this?

A. This is known as False or Nuisance Tripping and many things can cause this. The most common is intermittent shorted turns. A close second is Radio Frequency Interference (RFI). Lightening and Arc Welding interference fall under RFI also. Variable Frequency Drives (VFD’s) are also a source of false tripping. Sometimes when the metal detector is overly sensitive it will pick up smaller metal than the customer wants to be bothered with. MDI has many years of experience in helping reduce the False or Nuisance Trips caused by RFI and VFD’s through filtering in the Digital systems.

Q. We are considering a metal detector system for our whole log line but there is no room after the debarker, can it be installed before?

A. Yes, although installing a metal detector after the debarker is more ideal. When installed after the debarker, the process of debarking the log would have already removed much of the exterior metal in the bark and will reduce the number of nuisance trips.

Q. What are Intermittent Shorted Turns, or Intermittent Loops?

A. An Intermittent Shorted Turn or Loop is a conductive metal path near the metal detector search coil with an intermittent break in it. This conductive path acts as a secondary energy loop reflecting into the search coil’s electromagnetic field as a load-unload false trip-out signal whenever this secondary loop is connected or broken.

Any structurally connected metal parts or touching metal to parts, such as beams, cross pieces, conduit, pipes, idler rolls etc. may form this Intermittent Loop. To eliminate the effect of this loop, make a permanent solid CONNECTION or a definite BREAK in the loop. Make a weld at the break, or weld a shorting bar across the loop. If appropriate, place a permanent insulator between the metal (such as touching conduit or pipes).

A visual examination often identifies possible Intermittent Loops. More than one Intermittent Loop may be present.

Q. What needs to be considered before purchasing a metal detector?

A. There are 4 main areas that should be addressed when considering a metal detector.

1) Rejection of Contaminate: Plans should be made for how the contaminate will be removed from the conveying line once it is detected. The two most common methods are using a marking system to reject material downstream, or stopping the conveyor upon detection to remove metal or contaminated material before it moves on.

2) Possible Product Effect: If the material we are scanning produces a signal that could be detected by the metal detector, then a sample of the material would need to be sent to MDI for testing and evaluation, to determine if a metal detector is feasible.

3) Room to Install Equipment: You will need room for the fiberglass/non-metallic conveyor section and adequate room to install the metal detector, so that the contaminant, once it has been detected, can be removed before reaching the equipment to be protected.

4) What Equipment is around the Conveyor: It’s good to take note of anything that may interfere with installation, such as another conveyor above or below, cables, or other equipment that needs to be considered during installation. Examples would be: Cutoff Saws, Catwalks, Walkovers, other Metal Detectors in close proximity, Log Kickers, Grinders, Crushers, etc.

Q. What is included in your metal detector system?

A. There are three main components:

1) Metal Detector Search Coil (Head)

The coils are manufactured in many sizes and shapes, such as flat for under conveyor applications, four-sided and multiple-sided. What is being conveyed, sensitivity needs and the conveying system being used help determine the size and shape.

2) Electronic Control Enclosure (Panel)

The Electronic Controls are remotely mounted and connected to the search coil with a provided cable. The Standard cabinet to house the electronics is a NEMA 4/12 enclosure. A Stainless Steel NEMA 4X enclosure is available upon request.

3) Metal Free Area (Non-Metallic Section)

The transport system (conveyor) used to pass the product over or through the metal detector search coil must include a non-metallic section. A metal free area must be provided so that the metal signal detected is the metal contaminate, not the conveyor. On formed pan belt conveyors and vibrating conveyors a portion of the steel pan is replaced with a matching fiberglass section in the metal detector area. On Idler conveyors usually the Idler rolls are set farther apart or the rolls are removed to create a metal free area. For a roll case conveyor, one or more rollers will need to be removed to create a metal free area. In addition, you may need to create a break in metal framework as well.

Q. What type of metal can be detected?

A. MDI Metal Detector Systems will detect all types of metal. There are three basic categories: Ferrous (magnetic), Non-Ferrous (non-magnetic), and Stainless Steel.

1) Ferrous Metal is any metal that can be attracted to a magnet. This is iron and steel. In time it will rust when exposed to air and water. Ferrous metal is typically the easiest metal to detect and usually the most common contaminant in industrial environments. Examples include paperclips, thumbtacks, pins, staples, most screws, nails, washers, welding slag, rust, abrasions from metal to metal contact, and tools dropped into the conveyor.

2) Non-Ferrous metal is non-magnetic metals (copper, aluminum, brass, lead, etc.) It will take approximately 50% more of a non-ferrous metal to be as detectable as a ferrous metal. Manganese is also a non-ferrous metal and difficult for most metal detectors to detect. MDI’s digital flat and surround systems are very effective in detecting manganese.

3) Stainless Steel is always the most difficult metal to detect due to its poor electrical conductive qualities. By definition stainless steel has low magnetic permeability. A stainless steel sphere would have to be 50% larger than a ferrous sphere to produce the same signal strength on the metal detector.

Q. Why do I need a Metal Free Area?

A. The metal free area is the portion of the conveyor that is made of a non-metallic material, usually fiberglass. This is used to pass the product over or through the search coil without other metal interfering with the metal detector's performance. In other words, it creates the working environment so the metal detector can detect metal in the product, not the conveyor itself.

Q. Can just the bottom of the conveyor be fiberglass or wood and leave the sides of the conveyor metal?

A. No, The vibration of the conveyor would cause the sides of the conveyor to be seen by the metal detector and continual false tripping will occur.

Q. Will a spray marking system pin-point the exact location of the metal?

A. Spray marking systems can only indicate metal is in the log, not exactly where it is located. This is because a small piece of metal near a search face may have the same signature as a larger piece of metal deeper in the log. Type of metal such as ferrous, non-ferrous or stainless steel also affect the signal. It’s best to use a hand held metal detector to help pinpoint the metal once the log has been removed to a metal free area for scanning.

FAQs — Metal Detectors Inc. (2024)

FAQs

What metals cannot be detected by a metal detector? ›

Both stainless steel and titanium are fairly poor electrical conductors and will generally be missed by common metal detectors such as my Fisher Gold Bug. I have detected stainless eating utensils -a couple forks and a spoon - with the Gold Bug, but I have no small stainless pieces in my “found” collection.

Will stainless steel go off on a metal detector? ›

The answer is yes. Although stainless steel is generally non-magnetic, it still contains trace amounts of iron, nickel and other metals which can be detected by metal detectors. As a result, it is important to be aware that a stainless steel item may trigger an alarm at a security checkpoint.

What is the number 1 metal detector? ›

The Bottom Line

Our favorite is the Minelab Equinox 800, in part because of its multiple detection modes and support for multiple frequencies. It's a versatile metal detector that will help you find something down there, even if it isn't quite the grand hoard you were hoping for.

What is the easiest metal to detect with a metal detector? ›

Ferrous metals are magnetic metals like steel and iron. These are the easiest to detect. Non-ferrous metals are copper, aluminum, brass and bronze. And finally, stainless steel metals such as: 302, 304 and 316 are the hardest to detect.

What will a metal detector not pick up? ›

Metal detectors have a tough time detecting metals like stainless steel, which have very poor electrical conductivity. Stainless steel has low magnetic permeability, which means it does not produce a signal strong enough to be detected.

Why is my metal detector not picking up metal? ›

Metal detectors fail to perform adequately for three main reasons: the detector installation is suboptimal, the detector isn't working properly, or the orientation effect is allowing metal to pass undetected.

What can stop a metal detector from detecting metal? ›

Metal Size and Type: Since the rubber conceals the metal components, the size and type may also affect whether it will be detected. The smaller the metal structure, the less likely it is to be caught. Also, non-ferrous metals will generally produce weaker signals, limiting detection accuracy.

Can gold be detected by a metal detector? ›

Yes, it is possible to detect gold with a metal detector. Metal detectors work by generating an electromagnetic field, which induces eddy currents in nearby conductive materials like metals. Gold, being a good conductor, will produce a detectable signal when it's within the range of the metal detector.

Do beer cans set off metal detectors? ›

Different Scenarios with Metal Detectors

Will the detector beep if you have an aluminum can with you? The quick answer is most likely. However, it depends on the metal detector's settings. These devices can be fine-tuned to either pay attention to the object or ignore it based on the program settings.

How much should I pay for a decent metal detector? ›

A quality metal detector can cost anywhere between $200 and $600. If you want a top-of-the-line model with all the latest features, you could even spend upwards of $1000 or more.

What is the greatest weakness of metal detectors? ›

At the same time it presents significant limitations: metal detectors are capable of detecting only metallic contaminants; they are not usable with packagings containing metal (aluminum, aluminized film, tinplate, etc.); in addition, the characteristics of the product itself must be taken into account (thickness, ...

What is the best cheap metal detector for beginners? ›

The Fisher f22, Nokta Makro simplex+, and the Bounty Hunter Gold are all great options for those looking for an affordable and easy-to-use detector. Metal detectors like these offer a wide range of features at a fraction of the cost of some of the more expensive metal detectors on the market.

What is better than a metal detector? ›

Sensitivity— If your main goal is to find ferrous metals, a magnetic locator will be your best options because it will be more sensitive. Metal detectors can only find metals that are 6-10 inches beneath the ground or any other insulated surface.

Can you find magnets with a metal detector? ›

Magnets are generally metal, so, unless you have discriminated that particular metal out (rejecting ferrous metals, for example) it would detect it.

How can I make my metal detector more accurate? ›

Metal detectors use two different types of frequencies: Very Low Frequency (VLF) and Pulse Induction (PI).
  1. Very Low Frequency (VLF) ...
  2. Pulse Induction (PI) ...
  3. Turn Up the Sensitivity Setting. ...
  4. Swing Closer to the Ground. ...
  5. Reduce Discrimination Setting. ...
  6. Know Your Detector's Settings. ...
  7. Try Different Swing Speeds. ...
  8. Use Headphones.
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Do all metal detectors detect all metals? ›

Metal detectors can detect both ferrous and non-ferrous metal types, although they detect ferrous metals more easily due to their magnetic properties. Ferrous metal contains iron and is often magnetic, while non-ferrous metal consists of other elements like nickel, aluminum, and zinc.

What metal will set off a metal detector? ›

Metals such as iron, nickel and cobalt are detected by passive and active metal detectors. Other metals, such as copper, brass and aluminum, are detected only by active means.

Does all metal go off in a metal detector? ›

All metals are electrically conductive, so can be detected, BUT there will be a minimum size limit dependent on the detector's operating frequency, e.g. powdered metals will be very difficult to detect.

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